Fox News
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Fox News is a recurring organization in the Astral Codex Ten archive, appearing 7 times across 7 issues between June 23, 2021 and February 07, 2025. The archive places it in contexts such as “Fox News’ Ben Domenech adopting his term”; “Fox News is trustworthy because it tells you the ways Democrats are bad”; “p trust in Donald Trump and Fox News”. It most often appears alongside New York Times, Trump, COVID.
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- Category: Organizations
- Mention count: 7
- Issue count: 7
- First seen: June 23, 2021
- Last seen: February 07, 2025
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- Links For June
- Book Review: The Revolt Of The Public
- Highlights From The Comments On Ivermectin
- Bounded Distrust
- Sorry, I Still Think I Am Right About The Media Very Rarely Lying
- Your Incentives Are Not The Same As Media Companies’
- 1DaySooner’s Trump II Health Policy Proposals
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- New York Times (4 shared issues)
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- Trump (4 shared issues)
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- COVID (3 shared issues)
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- Alexandros Marinos (2 shared issues)
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- CDC (2 shared issues)
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- DC (2 shared issues)
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- FDA (2 shared issues)
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- FOX (2 shared issues)
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- George Washington (2 shared issues)
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- Iraq (2 shared issues)
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- Israel (2 shared issues)
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- ivermectin (2 shared issues)
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Recovered passages from the original issue text. When the raw archive preserved outbound links inside the source passage, they are listed directly under the quote.
5: SSC’s former sparring partner Mencius Moldbug seems to be doing well, with Fox News’ Ben Domenech adopting his term “Cathedral” for the progressive establishment (see full video here)
Inline links: see full video here
With this solution in place, you can rebuild trust in institutions. If you're a Republican, Fox News is trustworthy because it tells you the ways Democrats are bad. Some people say it's biased or inaccurate, but those people are Democrats or soft-on-Democrat RINO traitors. And if you're a Democrat, academic experts are completely trustworthy, and if someone challenges them you already know those challenges must be vile Republican lies. Lack of access to opposing views has been replaced with lack of tolerance for opposing views. And so instead of the public having to hate all elites, any given member of the public only needs to hate half of the elites.
Or is this ignoring fundamental asymmetries? The Right can (sometimes) muster up trust in Donald Trump and Fox News, but they still seem pretty Border. Meanwhile, the center-left is celebrating mainstream journalists and universities and experts with a vigor that seems perhaps more desperate, but no less intense, than in the 20th century. Perhaps this will change; the Right could swing back to being Romneycrats, and Bernie and AOC could still take over the left. But so far it doesn't look that way. Maybe the occasional tendency of the US to switch party systems has captured the center-vs-border conflict and subsumed it into the broader left-right one.
I think also missing is the behavior of conservative political and media elites, who are actually in a social class where they might have immunologist relatives but who kept up anti-blue tribe COVID skepticism. Trump is vaccinated, Fox News has an internal vaccine passport system, these are the people best positioned to persuade skeptics motivated by 'hostile aliens' and they refuse to do it because maximal ongoing culture war serves their interests.
Suppose you're a liberal who doesn't trust FOX News. One day you're at the airport, waiting for a plane, ambiently watching the TV at the gate. It's FOX News, and they're saying that a mass shooter just shot twenty people in Yankee Stadium. There’s live footage from the stadium with lots of people running and screaming.
I'm a liberal who doesn't trust FOX News, and sure, I believe it. The level on which FOX News is bad isn't the level where they invent mass shootings that never happened. They wouldn't use deepfakes or staged actors to fake something and then call it "live footage". That would go way beyond anything FOX had done before. Liberals might say things like "You can't trust FOX News on anything, they are 100% total liars", but realistically we still trust them quite a lot on stuff like this.
A conservative might end up in the same position vis-a-vis the Washington Post as our hypothetical liberal and FOX News. They know it’s a biased source that often lies to them, but how often?
I Googled “Trump fraudulent election”, and the first story that came up supporting the idea that the Democrats stole the 2020 election was Fox News’ Senator Rand Paul Claims Statistical Fraud In States Where Trump Lost.
I worry that normal humans are imitating journalists. If a journalist makes 99 people hate them, and 1 person like them enough to like or subscribe or click on their next article, that’s a win. Fox News alienates millions of people with its confrontational style, but Rupert Murdoch is the 71st richest man in the world; if he could alienate twice as many and be twice as rich, he would take that trade. Journalists have shaped Twitter culture; lots of people, god help them, imitate their mannerisms and interaction style. But your incentives are not the same as media companies’. If you alienate 99 people and get one person to say “Wow! You have exactly the same flavor of hatred for people who plant petunias that I do, but you express it so much more cruelly, I bet you’re literally making them cry, it really made my day!” you will not become the 71st richest man in the world. You will just lose 99% of the potential people who could listen to you or care about you or be your friends.
Makary is a Johns Hopkins surgical oncologist, former MedPage Today editor-in-chief, and frequent FOX News guest. He wrote a book Blind Spots about past failures of the medical establishment, like denying babies peanuts to reduce peanut allergies (in fact, this increased the allergies). He’s also been a constant champion of medical transparency. Our wish list builds on this work.
Inline links: Blind Spots, medical transparency
Backlinks
- 1DaySooner’s Trump II Health Policy Proposals
- Book Review: The Revolt Of The Public
- Bounded Distrust
- FOX
- Highlights From The Comments On Ivermectin
- Links For June
- Organizations: F
- People: W
- Sorry, I Still Think I Am Right About The Media Very Rarely Lying
- Walter Cronkite
- Your Incentives Are Not The Same As Media Companies’