Cleveland
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Cleveland is a recurring place in the Astral Codex Ten archive, appearing 7 times across 7 issues between February 24, 2021 and March 25, 2025. The archive places it in contexts such as “Perhaps Cleveland”; “lower-tier cities like … Cleveland”; “how much of an advantage San Francisco has over Cleveland or China”. It most often appears alongside California, New York, San Francisco.
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- Category: Places
- Mention count: 7
- Issue count: 7
- First seen: February 24, 2021
- Last seen: March 25, 2025
Appears In
- Book Review: Fussell On Class
- Change My Mind: Density Increases Local But Decreases Global Prices
- Highlights From The Comments On Housing Density And Prices
- Spring Meetups Everywhere 2024
- Your Book Review: The Family That Couldn’t Sleep
- Meetups Everywhere 2024: Times & Places
- Meetups Everywhere Spring 2025: Times & Places
Related Pages
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- California (6 shared issues)
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- New York (6 shared issues)
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- San Francisco (6 shared issues)
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- Boston (5 shared issues)
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- Chicago (5 shared issues)
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- Europe (5 shared issues)
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- Japan (5 shared issues)
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- Manhattan (5 shared issues)
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- New York City (5 shared issues)
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- USA (5 shared issues)
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- America (4 shared issues)
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- Austin (4 shared issues)
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Source Context
Recovered passages from the original issue text. When the raw archive preserved outbound links inside the source passage, they are listed directly under the quote.
Where then may a member of the top classes live in this country? New York first of all, of course. Chicago. San Francisco. Philadelphia. Baltimore. Boston. Perhaps Cleveland. And deep in the countryside of Connecticut, New York State, Virginia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Massachusetts. That's about it. It’s not considered good form to live in New Jersey, except in Bernardsville and perhaps Princeton, but any place in New Jersey beats Sunnyvale, Cypress, and Compton, California; Canton, Ohio; Reno, Nevada; Cheyenne, Wyoming; Albuquerque, New Mexico; Columbus, Georgia, and similar army towns.
Could this be reverse causation - ie New York is very dense because its prices are so high (which incentivizes developers to squeeze the most out of every parcel of land)? Yes, obviously this is part of the effect. But equally obviously, it isn’t the full effect. Stripped of its density, Manhattan is just a little island off the US East Coast. There are plenty of little islands off the US East Coast - Maine alone has dozens - and none of them are as expensive to live in as Manhattan. Manhattan has a few extra natural amenities, like a river and a good harbor. But nobody moves to Manhattan for the harbor. They moving there because they want to be in a big city - with friends, jobs, museums, and nightlife. This induced demand effect is so strong that it overwhelms the fact that Manhattan has millions more houses than the empty North Dakota plain (or lower-tier cities like Des Moines or Cleveland). So empirically, as you move along the density spectrum from the empty North Dakota plain to Manhattan, housing prices go up.
Building new housing in certain cities with specific windfalls (eg Wall Street in NYC, tech in the Bay) might absorb the windfall faster than it produced new windfalls (eg building new houses in SF might make prices lower by successfully housing all existing Google employees, without necessarily producing new Googles). This depends on global factors like how hard it is to make the next Google, how many new Googles the world economy has room for, and how much of an advantage San Francisco has over Cleveland or China in being the most likely location for the next Google.
ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA, USA Contact: Aaron Kaufman Contact Info: ironlordbyron[at]gmail[dot]com Time: Saturday, April 20th, 5:00 PM Location: Party room in Davanni's Pizza, at 41 Cleveland Ave S, St Paul, MN 55105 Coordinates: https://plus.codes/86P8WRQ6+WX Group Link: https://discord.gg/RnkfQW9dVK
CLEVELAND, OHIO, USA Contact: Andy Contact Info: ajl161[at]case[dot]edu Time: Sunday, April 14th, 1:00 PM Location: Tabletop Board Game Cafe- 1810 W 25th St, Cleveland, OH 44113 (I am very tall and will be hard to miss) Coordinates: https://plus.codes/86HWF7PV+GRP Notes: board game cafe so bring your best catan strategies :)
Inline links: https://plus.codes/86HWF7PV+GRP
Elio Lugaresi, the neurologist who clinically identified FFI, shipped his patient’s brain to his former student Pierluigi Gambetti. Gambetti at this point ran a neuropathology lab at Case Western Reserve University, in Cleveland. Lugaresi was absolutely bewildered as to why his student would leave Italy for Cleveland.
Contact: Aaron Contact Info: ironlordbyron[a t]gmail[d ot]com Time: Sunday, October 13th, 04:00 PM Location: Davanni's Pizza: 41 Cleveland Ave S, St Paul, MN 55105 Coordinates: https://plus.codes/86P8WRQ6+XX Group Link: Discord link for the MSP ACX meetup group: https://discord.gg/m2xJcuC937 Notes: I'll be providing pizza! Vegans are free to bring their own food (Davanni's selection here isn't great); I'll be getting a vegetarian and gluten-free pizza along with other kinds of pizza. RSVPs on lesswrong would be great.
Inline links: https://plus.codes/86P8WRQ6+XX, https://discord.gg/m2xJcuC937
Contact: Logan Contact Info: Logan[dot]the[dot]word[at]gmail[dot]com Time: Saturday, September 28th, 02:00 PM Location: Ponysaurus Brewing Co (219 Hood St, Durham). We'll be at the outdoor seating area with an ACX sign on the table Coordinates: https://plus.codes/8773X4Q3+QW Group Link: https://groups.google.com/g/rtlw Notes: There will be pizza! The venue serves beer but is kid-friendly. I'll have more details on the Google group (see link) Ohio CLEVELAND, OHIO, USA Contact: Amber Contact Info: act114[at]case[dot]edu Time: Saturday, October 19th, 12:30 PM Location: Floor 2, Think[Box], Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, 44106, USA (Tentative location, to be confirmed closer to the time) Coordinates: https://plus.codes/86HWG92V+6P Notes: Please RSVP on LessWrong by the 16th of October. You can bring guests, but please indicate the number on RSVP. Light snacks and coffee will be provided. Park in the Veale Parking Garage (Lot 53) at 2158 Adelbert Road near the wind turbine. Parking in the Veale Parking Garage is not free. Go into Veale Athletic Center and speak with the front desk for assistance in reaching think[box].
Inline links: https://plus.codes/8773X4Q3+QW, https://groups.google.com/g/rtlw, https://plus.codes/86HWG92V+6P, LessWrong
Contact: Amber Contact Info: act114[at]case[dot]edu Time: Saturday, October 19th, 12:30 PM Location: Floor 2, Think[Box], Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, 44106, USA (Tentative location, to be confirmed closer to the time) Coordinates: https://plus.codes/86HWG92V+6P Notes: Please RSVP on LessWrong by the 16th of October. You can bring guests, but please indicate the number on RSVP. Light snacks and coffee will be provided. Park in the Veale Parking Garage (Lot 53) at 2158 Adelbert Road near the wind turbine. Parking in the Veale Parking Garage is not free. Go into Veale Athletic Center and speak with the front desk for assistance in reaching think[box].
Inline links: https://plus.codes/86HWG92V+6P, LessWrong
Contact: Aaron Kaufman Contact Info: ironlordbyron[a t]gmail[period]com Time: Sunday, May 4th, 01:00 PM Location: Davanni's Pizza ; 41 Cleveland Ave S, St Paul, MN 55105 Coordinates: https://plus.codes/86P8WRQ6+XX Notes: Please RSVP on lesswrong so I know how much food to get. Also note that regrettably if you're a vegan davanni's has salad and little else (though I will be getting the salad).
Inline links: https://plus.codes/86P8WRQ6+XX
Contact: Logan Contact Info: Logan[period]the[period]word[a t]gmail[period]com Time: Saturday, May 03rd, 02:00 PM Location: Ponysaurus Brewing Co (219 Hood St, Durham). We'll be at the outdoor seating area with an ACX sign on the table Coordinates: https://plus.codes/8773X4Q3+QW Group Link: https://groups.google.com/g/rtlw Notes: There will be pizza! The venue serves beer but is kid-friendly. I'll have more details on the Google group (see link) Ohio CLEVELAND Contact: prj Contact Info: prj-acx[a t]dogmap[period]org Time: Sunday, May 04th, 02:00 PM Location: Tabletop Board Game Cafe Coordinates: https://plus.codes/86HWF7PV+HV
Backlinks
- 1980s
- Book Review: Fussell On Class
- Case Western Reserve University
- Change My Mind: Density Increases Local But Decreases Global Prices
- Concepts: 0-9
- Des Moines
- Highlights From The Comments On Housing Density And Prices
- Maine
- Meetups Everywhere 2024: Times & Places
- Meetups Everywhere Spring 2025: Times & Places
- Organizations: C
- Places: C
- Places: T
- Spring Meetups Everywhere 2024
- Your Book Review: The Family That Couldn’t Sleep